refiners fire
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The Structure of the "theocratic" Organization
by refiners fire inwatchtower, may 15, 1995
article: flashes of light great and small
quote: in 1971 another flash of light showed that each congregation was not to be directed by just one congregation servant.
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Total control in "Heavens Gate"
by refiners fire inthe "heavens gate" cult, before it imploded, produced a series of videos that were available.
i obtained two of them and they are amazing to watch in terms of the mechanics of the group.. there were, i think, 10 videos all together, recordings of "sessions", here are a few highlights from "session 8".. if in fact we are seeing that as our father's kingdom relates to the human kingdom, and as the history books tell us, they relate on a basis of knowing through faith.
and because they can't have us motivated by proof, we have to believe in them.
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AVENGERS
by refiners fire inavengers.. well that thread is on the forum, "while you are enjoying your freedom", its only got 1 response.
something i find amazing myself.because its a terrific post.. your posts in other threads are coming up.i can only see that you have exceeded your thread limit for the day.unless your computers on thr fritz.. 2 threads a day isnt it??.
everything looks normal from where im sitting.
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TYPE / ANTITYPE
by refiners fire ini might run this thread for a time, posting as i uncover this stuff.
every entry will be on type/ antitype fulfillment.. the wt trick of application is always the same.. they think, because they use some of the terms from the original scripture passage and apply them to their absurd antitype fullfillments, that this makes their antitypes credible.. hard to believe i ever believed this stuff.. anyway, read the stuff as you see fit, or if you need a giggle.... wt, february 15, 1967:.
type.
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my own book..excerpt
by refiners fire in....he was all smiles and sweetness in the car on the way home and our eyes met just once in the mirror.
that to come was written in them.i prepared myself.. as i got out of the car he said "you, in the bedroom".. after a while, long enough to make me sweat, he came.. he said, "whats that stupid rubber thing youve got on your body, that top?".
he sneered.. "what is this supposed to be?
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How to run an Organization: by the master.
by refiners fire ina few selected passages that caught my eye.
all quotes in capitals.. a doctrine must never be willing to share with another,it cannot be willing to collaborate with an existing order,which it condemns,it feels obligated to combat with the whole world of existing ideas with all possible means, that is, it must prepare its downfall.. the movement must be opposed to existing institutions.. the writer then speaks of manufacturing simple slogans which must be endlessly repeated so as to ignite the organizations followers to action.he says that,once something has been revealed as doctrine to the masses,it must never be altered or changed.
the word used is infallible..... since the programme of the movement is absolutely correct in its aims..with a doctrine it is less harmfull to retain a formulation,even if it should prove to, later,not correspond to reality, rather than improving it and expose a granite principle to discussion.for how shall we convince the people to have blind faith.
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An Adventist "Thought Adjustment"
by refiners fire inone of the most important early publishings in adventist history was the "word to the little flock", words uttered by ellen g white, soon to be prophetess of adventism,tract published by her husband and co leader,james white.. it is in this tract that "eg"(as i shall refer to her)first expounded the doctrine of the sabbath, a doctrine as important to adventists as the doctrine of the work is to the jws.. but at the end of this tract an incident is mentioned about which much conflict arose,an incident of interest to apostate adventists.. james white mentions it in his comments at the end of the tract.. it is the famous "solar system" vision of e g white.... what happened was that back at this early stage of adventism, there was only a little kernal of believers, and attending meetings was a man called bates.
bates was a sea captain, quite wealthy, highly respected,what a useful recruit he would be!.
eg knew that bates was obsessed with astronomy and to help bates along in his conversion god himself gave eg a vision of the solar system, flew her around the planets and she described her adventures, live, while in vision, for all to hear.
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a thought on the united nations
by refiners fire inback in the seventies i recall the wt was always on about the un.. the un is going to turn on religion.
the un is going to assume a world dominant role.. of course the un was nothing back then,no big power, but the witnesses.
were always on about its coming role.. in the 80s the uns role seemed to fade into obscurity, not mentioned much anymore.. then in the early 90s george bush came along with his new world order.
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fire n brimstone preacher predicting the end.
by refiners fire inwanna hear him?.
the thursday broadcast is great.
i love this guy.. he reckons nasa just got done putting holograph satellites up in space.these are gonna be used to project a false return of christ by the new world order.. warning!
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Rutherford speaks.
by refiners fire injust in case you ever start to forget what he was.... watchtower.
june 15, 1922. article: "seventy years desolation".
subheading: "records falsified by kings".